EVO Motors

First time out by many will be the warmup meeting, on Sunday 5th April at Silverstone with some testing on the Friday which will be running the International circuit (top half). Its been rumored there could be around 20 competitors on new motors, which is pleasing to see and will certainly bring a diverse grid compared to nearly all using Honda's for the past few years.

I compiled the list from either people that have entered with the engines last year / this year, also some names are not confirmed so have question marks next to them ;)

DEA
1. Gavin Bennett
2. Gareth James
3. Tom Hatfield
4. ?

Viper
1. Mark Stansfield
2. Toby Davis
3. Tony Pinder
4. ?
5. ?
6. ?

THR
1. Julian Davies
2. Jack Love
3. Jason Dredge
4. Carl Kinsey
5. Don Kennedy
6. Louis Wall?

GasGas
1. Paul Platt
2. Dan Clark
3. Aaron Sifleet
4. Roy Bennett?

Could be an interesting year :D To answer your question in the YouTube thread Allan, I haven't done any testing yet but will be running in the warmup meeting at Silverstone, possibility of the test day as its bank holiday and have work off :)

I couldn't speak for everyone but I think some are sold, some hired and some drivers wanted for there experience. Last year was the first year and I imagine many wanted to get any teething problems out of the way if they encountered any. This year with more drivers it will certainly put mileage on the equipment and show reliability of the motors.

No changes yet Allan, but I'll to race anything that gives me good racing :)

Hi Allan,
nearly got a woody looking at that engine.
Would be great to have them all here. Never know, it might happen 1 day. Doesn't look like the CIK have given the nod to the MSA/BSA engines in the SK2 European Superkart Championship this year yet. Pity.

[quote author=Ashley Zahl link=topic=2510.msg27466#msg27466 date=1425383460]
Doesn't look like the CIK have given the nod to the MSA/BSA engines in the SK2 European Superkart Championship this year yet. Pity.
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Not only that Ashley, but the CIK aren't even running an SK2 European Superkart Championship this year.
Talk about Nero fiddling while Rome burnt ???

Anyway, rest assured that if and when the MSA registered engines are allowed to race in Aus, I'll be down there demonstrating the Viper Racing UK product with either UK or Aus drivers . . . . or both!!

Best Regards

Ian :)

Spoke to Russell Anderson last night. He tells me that no proposal has been put to the CIK about making the MSA/ BSA engines CIK approved. Not going to happen this year. Went onto say that it needs to be done but nobody has put it up to the CIK as yet.

[quote author=Ashley Zahl link=topic=2510.msg27486#msg27486 date=1425627300]
Spoke to Russell Anderson last night. He tells me that no proposal has been put to the CIK about making the MSA/ BSA engines CIK approved. Not going to happen this year. Went onto say that it needs to be done but nobody has put it up to the CIK as yet.
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The trouble is getting the CIK to change the rules of homologating an engine for the Division 2 class I understand. It fits the mono cylinder of up to 250cc but requires it to be a production engine of 250 to be registered. What needs to happen is that it is simply changes to a production of 10 units, same as Division 1. It was suggested that they can be entered under Div 1 rules as a mono cylinder engine, but of course it doesn't make sense being in the same class as 250 twins as performance between the 2 is far from close.

I think it will be another year or 2 before we see more in Europe in the national series like FFSA and ESS, but it is only the 2nd year here in the UK and it seems to be gathering momentum much better than last year and will give is a much better picture on how they all run.

It's a no brainer to get these engine's approved and allow the guys that build them to get some reward for all their hard work. It's as pitty such a small sport can be so bogged down.

Allan,
if the CIK accept them, nothing needs to be done here but will have to be bought up again and try to get them through.
Sam,
from my chat with Russell last night, my understanding that if the right proposal were to be put in front of the CIK, he would gladly get it through. Might be worth the effort for the EVO engine manufacturers to have a chat with Russell to see what is needed. He was very keen to help the process. Worth a try.
The Gas Gas 250K is already CIK/ FIA homologated so no need for them to do anymore.

[quote author=Ashley Zahl link=topic=2510.msg27492#msg27492 date=1425632484]
Allan,
if the CIK accept them, nothing needs to be done here but will have to be bought up again and try to get them through.
Sam,
from my chat with Russell last night, my understanding that if the right proposal were to be put in front of the CIK, he would gladly get it through. Might be worth the effort for the EVO engine manufacturers to have a chat with Russell to see what is needed. He was very keen to help the process. Worth a try.
The Gas Gas 250K is already CIK/ FIA homologated so no need for them to do anymore.
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I'm sure the CIK would review any good proposals, after all the more of us the better :) Maybe if all 3 new manufacturers put a proposal together it could stand a better chance..

I can understand your eagerness to see the new engines out there in Aus, but it's only really the 2nd year that they have been run here in the UK and with only a handful of competitors running them last year it provided some information, but not enough for many to make up their minds for which route is the best to take. I think by the end of this year we should see a much clearer picture and hopefully fe all manufacturers involved they can broaden their potential markets :)

[quote author=Ashley Zahl link=topic=2510.msg27492#msg27492 date=1425632484]
from my chat with Russell last night, my understanding that if the right proposal were to be put in front of the CIK, he would gladly get it through.[/quote]

Ashley,

Here I sit, with smoke pouring out of my ears!

Communicating with the CIK and the various groups that have input into their decision making process is very frustrating. But we'll keep pushing at the door.

Russell and Andrea (DEA) sit on the CIK working group (if my info is up-to-date)

When you email the CIK with a question regarding the introduction of the MSA registered engines, they get a Dutch gentleman by the name of Thom Meijlink to respond on their behalf.

Thom (also a part of the group) is a massive supporter of the introduction of the limited production 250 single cylinder motors, registered with the MSA

At the CIK the cogs are whirring (I'm told), but unfortunately it appears . . . . very slowly.

Anyway, thanks for the heads-up, I'll be in contact with Russell first thing on Monday.

Best Regards

Ian :)

Hi Ian,
I am not too sure what happens over there. Manfred told me is was going to happen this year and nothing looks like being done. Looks like there is politics are the same over there which are disapointing but not surprising. Hopefully it can be done to make the European Superkart Championship bigger and better. I don't know but Russell and Andrea may not be able to put a submission in due to a conflict of interest or something. Anyhow, someone has to put pen to paper so to speak.
Hope the smoke stops in your ears soon.

After a lot of to and fro today, a new 250cc Evo engine proposal was presented today. You local NSA rep will have a copy available for comment.

Good to hear Ashley, need to get the wheels in motion. Will be interesting to see if our states reps bring it up at the next meeting or just vote against it as it has gears involved.

Hi Ashley

Your input and hard work in gaining approval for the MSA registered engines/kit engines to race in Aus is much appreciated.

From what Allan says, things are sounding very positive for the growth of the 250 National class in Aus already and for your National Championship in particular.

Steam has abated . . . . . . slightly!! ;)

Best Regards

Ian :)

Ash
So do you know what has happened with the proposal for the evo motors or parts added on to motors and so on and as the gas gas has a 6 speed its obviously allowed for the CR,YZ,KTM,RM,KX motors to have the same yeah? or is that assuming to much.

Providing you start with the standard cases & retain the original bore & stroke go for it.
Actually thinking of putting a rotary valve on the CR ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;)

Hi Owen

Hopefully, you won't mind me being a little precious regarding the SK250S (full new engine) figures at the moment, but as a taster, here's the dyno graph of our Viper EVO250S (Honda kitted with SK250S cylinder and crank) from a few weeks back. This one built on 2002 cases. Not the finished article (lacking a bit in overrev) . . . . . . but not far off!

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They are a series of runs in which we were testing various reed block configurations. The best run is with the block and inlet as pictured above. The figures, in case you can't read them too well were:
Peak Power = 70.86 BHP @10,445rpm. Max torque = 36.77Ft lb @ 10,172rpm. Corrected to SAE.

By the way, that cylinder is one of our 3-D printed prototype cylinders. They are all now cast fairly conventionally using plaster moulds and printed sand cores. However, we still use 3-D Printing to produce design variation test cylinders very quickly.

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Best Regards

Ian :)

Hi Owen

Yes, 5-speed. That's what our F250 National regulations allow.

We can of course fit our Honda CR260 6-speed box, but to be honest I really need orders for 5 to make manufacture economical. Can do 1 off's but not cheap!!

Best Regards

Ian :)