After kicking poor young Tracey out of her kart last Wakefield.......again.....(I feel so bad about that but worth rubbing it into Degan), I've decided to purchase a complete BRAND NEW Stock Honda engine package from the USA for myself. Payment is done........no turning back now.
I will post photo's of the new kart build as I get the engine and start assembling the kart.
The key is to get as many Stock Honda's down to Victorian Superkart Club at Winton on May 13, 2012.
Degan is in
Tracey is in
Sam is in
Need to talk to Vickers for Winton round
Stewie's kart is ready.............
Ant, what's going on with your new Stock Honda build? Can't miss this meeting....[size=14pt][b]it's game on.[/b][/size]
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We give them their own race.
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Second the event was offered to them.
Third we need to confirm the licence requirement
Four the committee decides the format of the race events.
That does not mean we won't, nor does it mean we will.
But the committee will decide
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Infact whichever group WE choose from to run with, still requires the acceptance of the STOCK HONDA DRIVERS that will be attending. Maybe we don't want to bash wheels with KZ2 sprint drivers, maybe we do.
I was asked by a leading KZ2 driver if the Stock Honda group would like to join in their May races at Winton with a 10kg weight break for Stock Honda. I think it's a good idea but it's not my decesion from 2 levels, VIC Superkart club and the Stock Honda Drivers themselves.
Either way, we are looking forward to putting as many Stock Honda's on at Winton, which ever race we go into .....so chill out.....cause it might be pretty cold at Winton in the month of May. ;)
BTW......come April, I count 8x Stock Honda Superkarts built......growing quite nicely ;)
Here is the final Stock Honda Superkart rules after 2 years of learning from the first kart in Australia.
The only pending change could be an optional "Superkart Nosecone" yet to be decided on both style or introduction. This optional nosecone is a lot more complicated than first thought. There are very valid good and bad points from both sides for this controlled class so this is the only thing pending.
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It is bordering on dishonest to promote Stock Honda as a class - it is clearly not. And to have comments like 'its a championship winning kart" come up about one is again not too far on the wrong side of the line.
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Ian,
It is recognized as a Stock Honda class by NSWSKC and scored separately with it's own yearly club championship if we so wish. We didn't do that in 2011 as there was only 4 last year.
I have never said "Championship Winning Kart" with reference to Stock Honda.
I did sponsor trophies to the tune of $600 at both Australian Superkart Championship rounds and made it very clear that this is a Stock Honda "Encouragement Award", both in print and presentation. I did this to PUT BACK INTO THE SPORT that I enjoy, there is no money making in it for me, just enjoyment to see an opening for the low budgeted and techinally challenged individual who would like to have a "red hot" go in a gearbox kart on long tracks.
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OK then Sam.......... since you now have more numbers nationally than the 250 National class, and karts and engines obviously readily available, and a set of rules that after 2 years of tinkering appear complete - what's stopping you nominating this as a class to the NSA/CAMS ??
I have held my tongue on this and watched as the idea has been promoted, but in all honesty if you cannot take the last step and put this up as a class to CAMS then are you being totally above board ??
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Ian,
I would like to see 10 karts built to the spec and CAMS log booked as a 125GB kart before it should be submitted to NSA/CAMS. The reason being that it will demostrate there are active memberships asking their governing body for it, demostrate that there is genuine investment and support in the concept. It will be backed up with the data that shows the growth it has created for this catergory in the USA, supported by almost every USA karting store, direct support by Honda USA, all of which this class has kept sprint and roadrace karting alive in USA.
The case to put forward to NSA needs to have the legs to stand firm at the AMRC so it can't be knocked back with a "blow in the wind" response, demonstrating that this is a missing link in CAMS Superkarting, "entry level gearbox" that [u]will[/u] foster new members into the CAMS fold.
Time wise, I would like to see this submitted by September 2012 so that it can be ratified for the begining of the 2013 season. As they say Ian, numbers talk, bullshit walks and I feel it's important we have the numbers first.
So Ian,
Are you going to help promote and encourage it down SA way? Will you use your contacts to have the AMRC get behind it? Your support behind the concept it would certainly help the cause. The rules are matured (derived from USA), tested and functional.
Will IWT to get behind grass roots 'Gearbox Superkarting' like it did with the once popular 80cc Gearbox?
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The key is to get as many Stock Honda's down to Victorian Superkart Club at Winton on May 13, 2012.
Degan is in
Tracey is in
Sam is in
Need to talk to Vickers for Winton round
Stewie's kart is ready.............
Ant, what's going on with your new Stock Honda build? Can't miss this meeting....
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Paul Degan is in
Tracey is in
Sam is in
Mark Vickers is in
Stewie's kart is ready..........
Ant......is keen....(too far away yet to commit)
So that's 4 already in, possibly 6 at this stage.
We have decided to run in the Superkart races as 125GB Superkart, not with the sprint karters with KZ2 and DD2.
Last time a Stock Honda spec ran as a 125GB Superkart at VSKC race meeting.........trophy presentations........
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Ian, sorry if my comment was taken seriously, it was only a joke. I've said that the Internet needs a sarcasm font for years. :)
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What do you mean a joke ???Degan was cheatin' ;)
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Last time a Stock Honda spec ran as a 125GB Superkart at VSKC race meeting.........trophy presentations........
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And here is the proof Tracy did very well she shaved 10-15 seconds of her lap times too she also got presented with ear plugs for the trip home .
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THERE WERE 5 ENTRIES AND ANOTHER 5 OR 6 NOT THERE DUE TO OTHER COMMITMENTS, AT THE APRIL 1ST MEETING THERE WILL BE AT A GUESS AT LEAST 10 TWINS GETTING OUT THERE, ALSO ANOTHER 3 BEING ORGANIZED SO THE GEWARBOX CLASS IS HEALTHY JUST GOT TO GET THEM ALL OUT THERE. PS SORRY TO JUMP IN ON YOUR THREAD JUST HAD TO RESPOND TO THAT.,
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I Know fuk... caps lock ;D ;D ;D
So Matt are in for a stock Honda after your race experience at Wakefield Park.
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My engine is with Australia Post at the moment so as soon as I get back from Lakeside I will be starting a new post of assembling a brand new package using detailed photos on the SKUSA ignition plate, setting up a new carb from Keihn with appropriate main jet, pilot and needle, recomendations on mounting the fuel pump, coil, ignition box, radiator etc etc etc.
I don't want no bitch slapping or yelling in my new post please. I want it to remain an infomative post so others can refer to it if/when assembling their own Stock Honda in future.
Now stop yelling and give each other a nice little kiss. :-*
PS......details of my powerplant arriving in the next day or two......Everything you could possibly need.
99 Honda Cr 125 engine spec shifter go kart motor Package from SharkShifter
This 99 CR125 6 speed transmission Honda motor is built from a kit motor to our exacting standards comes with hand fit/ Power valves plugged and matched & Blended to the exhaust port / Slip-fitted and trued CR125 Crank Rod checked for straightness and corrected if needed / Power valve actuator rod hole plugged / Kick starter plugged / ready for your combination /all Stock electronics / cdi / Ign box & Cover / coil is included. Swedetech Cdi mount / sharkshifter Ignition Cover & Power Valve Covers / o-ring manifold & alum coil bracket is also included. The package includes Sharkshifter Deluxe aluminum motor mount 32x92 /RLV R4 Pipe / M4 silencer 12" / Stainless Hegar 4 Exhaust Mount kit & Yoshi Stainless duel pivot springs/ Keihin 38mm PWM Carburetor / Air filter & adjustable air filter mount / fuel pump / fuel line & filter / Drive sprocket of your choice / J shifter arm / Clutch & throttle cables / Top Water hose 2 in to 1 / SKUSA timing plate, 50mm-sprocket 428 steel 23 tooth.
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Actually that was for Sam, Mike I thought he would feel better for it maybe you should give him 1 to seeing as you yelled first ;)
I would give the stock honda a go if there were a heavy class with a minimum weight of 200kgs ;D
Maybe Cookie and Jay would like to back me up on this one even BF24 could give it a go among others ;D
Having said that it was good fun and as easy to prep and race on the day as everyone says
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recomendations on mounting the fuel pump,
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Just holding hand will be fine thanks.
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Next week I'll start a full documentation of technical info, setting up and installing a Stock Honda spec motor into a sprint shifter chassis.
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It's going to hurt....time and time again, with or without your all your snoring the night before........ :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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PIL,
It's going to hurt....time and time again, with or without your all your snoring the night before........ :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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"It's going to hurt"?? ??? "time & time again"? :o " all your snoring" ? :D "the night before"? ???
Samuel Does Trace know about this? :P ;D ;D ;D
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Every single bit and piece required to assemble onto a rolling shifter kart chassis - less radiator ($210 with mount kit from Homebush karts)
Postage cost to my door was $430. Everything packed meticuously, very happy little customer here.
This could be you too......
I'll will be doing a full install / setup / tips reference booklet based off this package so any newbie can get it right up to scutineer's standards and running to its optimum tune to setup and do it themselves at home.
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PS...on the weekend at Lakeside, we just lubed the chain after every race, topped up the fuel tank twice and lowered the tyre pressures twice on Tracey's kart. It was that easy!
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Ive had a couple of guys approach me with questions on gearbox racing, they seem like good canidates for stock honda class, which will be good for SA, also a couple of us gearbox guys are trying to biuld one as a club kart,
So sam if you are able to call me so I can give them as much info as posible, as we have the cik round here on the week end and a couple of the guys run in the shifter class and want to catch up to me to talk stock honda for road race.
Anyway guys we are trying to grow the gearbox class down here, and your likes of brett, dean & co are doing a good job helping guys, we just got to try and get karts out of sheds or sold to new guys.
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I'll give you a call tomorrow.
In the meantime, anybody intrested should be reading/download this.
Other than questions about road racing / CAMS / Superkart clubs, this should have everything they need to know about Stock Honda.
Have a read so you can arm yourself with any additional questions.
[url=http://www.superkart.org.au/Documents/STOCKHONDASUPERKARTINFORev2.pdf]http://www.superkart.org.au/Documents/STOCKHONDASUPERKARTINFORev2.pdf[/url]
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I have not got anything other than my tools to piece this together.
I love how the bundled brackets make the whole package self contained to itself, just bolt the engine mount to chassis, connect the clutch and throttle cables, connect the fuel lines, hoses for water plus add the drive chain and it's ready to race.
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I love how the bundled brackets make the whole package self contained to itself, just bolt the engine mount to chassis, connect the clutch and throttle cables, connect the fuel lines, hoses for water plus add the drive chain and it's ready to race.
Just a tip Sammy.
Hook up the gear selector as well, or else it won't go anywhere.
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That is a sweet looking package ( i mean the engine ) can you answer me one question . The pulse pump line from the manifold to the pump looks quite long i thought it would have to be a lot closer to work more effectively just an observation. Obviosly if your other motor is the same it works a treat. ;D
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The pulse pump setup above is my preference which will be document in my build reference booklet shortly.
To answer your question, my Stock Honda has been setup EXACTLY like this for 2 years now and never have I pulled the pump off to clean it out or do a single thing with it. The engine runs great everytime as everyone has seen.
I have also put exactly the same bracket/setup/position on Stewie's and Degan's Stock Honda for over 12months without a single issue.
Issues normally come with using a twin pump "pump around" system which is why it is not allowed in our rules. I leased a kart in USA and guess what, I had issues with the pump around system all weekend.....as do many other people....that's why it is not allowed in our rules.....too many problems and extra expense.
I'm not going to get into a fuel pump debate because it will never end. This setup above works 100% for the 3x Stock Honda's I've setup here at every track and is mounted completely out of the way.
If other people wish to mount it elsewhere using 1 metre or 1 inch of pulse line, mounting it above or below the carby they are welcome to do that, this is just my setup for all to see. I've heard all sorts of comprimises like longer line is larger crankcase volume, shorter line is lesser crankcase volume.......I don't think it makes jack on the CR125. ;) Maybe in Rotax Max with that tiny pump they use it could effect, but I don't know as I don't race or setup a Max.
FYI, you can purchase fuel pump mounts in USA that bolt to the side of the CR125 cylinder......this puts the pump in the way of your arm, that's my opinion.....especially for the big fellows in the sport.
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Who gives a toss about the crap you post.
We are coming down and racing in the Superkart race at 180kgs.
I wanted to join in the KZ2 race however the current Stock Honda drivers (all others never been to Winton before) don't want to rub wheels with the F1 minded sprint kart drivers. That's their choice, accept that and move on.
As far as performance goes, let the lap times decide your petty crap there.
KZMAN, let me know if your racing at Winton, I'd like to pit next to you.
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Sam won't run Stonda with KZ because he knows how hard they will get smoked. Even with 10kg break. This shows he has no interest in what's good for the sport over what is in HIS best interest. Otherwise he would embrace the concept, merge them and let the competitor decide.
buy this instead : http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Swedetech-Pavesi-KZ2-engine-/320854227265?pt=AU_Go_Kart_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ab466f941
Way faster, just as cheap and best of all, purpose built. Added bonuses over Stonda is too many to list but one thing for sure, you won't be left with a outdated piece of crap that you can't sell off.
SA, Victoria and NSW could run this class alone at select events with amount of numbers they have.
Now whether or not current KZ drivers even want Sam and his Stonda revolution involved is another question ?
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Your not making me want to race KZ with attacks like that. Are the other guys complete baseless bone heads to..? Do they know your on here making comments like that..? See if you can get this through your increadibly thick head......We like KZ's and wish you guys would turn up long track racing more. Why don't you..? We like your equipment too, but we think there is a market for something like the stonda that allows a little less set up and maintanence. Nothing more nothing less. We never profess to be quicker. I'm probably not and don't care....get it..?
Also, no one here has a finacial interest so your comment on where Sam's interest lies is way off base. If you want to promote KZ class do so showing them off and not by attacking other classes.
You at this stage need to put up or shut up. You obviously feel threatened that we could steel numbers from you but honestly with your attitude you are more likely loosing them on your own. You are now actually working for us so thanks for that.
BTW. I won't hide behind my keyboard and am available to chat.
Paul (Pil) Degan #66 0413361999 Call to discuss anytime.
PS. I just love karting....I hope you do too......
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there is a lot of us coming to Winton/Allstars . From what I have read here concerning KZ the attitude is to run them with 125 superkart so far . Maybe that has something to do with it I don't know ? We are talking about running Mallala over here in future . I guess we will see how Allstars @ Winton goes now the class is on offer .
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Kzman,
What happened in 2011, given your very own individual races last year and there is only 8 entered in qualifing and 6 in the final? I thought there is 40+ of you guys entered in KZ Allstars?
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Added bonuses over Stonda is too many to list but one thing for sure, you won't be left with a outdated piece of crap that you can't sell off.
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What happens to your current KZ2 engine when the CIK homologate the next version of KZ2 engines?
What is the new price of a KZ2 vs Stock Honda engine?
What is the used price of KZ2 vs Stock Honda engine?
The questions above truthfully answers your question on cost then something you can't sell later......check the US market if your not sure... ;)
As we have mentioned many times before, [u]KZ2 are welcome to race[/u] with 125 Gearbox Superkart [u]ANYTIME[/u] with open arms, if you can show you have the consistant numbers and loyality to CAMS (best way is by CAMS logbooks and licenses) I'm sure they can consider an application to your own class in Superkarting. ;)
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You are entitled to your own opinion equally as everyone on this forum but you need to stop the slagging match with Sam, obviously your problem with him is personal, take it up with him directly rather than shooting your mouth off behind a computer whilst not identifying who you are ...
We don't tolerate crap here so if you don't start adding constructive genuine comments your account will be deleted and your ip address traced to reveal who you are ...
Stock Honda may not be for everyone, same deal for the other class's ...
Keep the discussion civil and mature please ....
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[quote author=kzman link=topic=1610.msg16120#msg16120 date=13302709font=Verdana] If you want to promote KZ class do so showing them off and not by attacking other classes.[/font]You at this stage need to put up or shut up. You obviously feel threatened that we could steel numbers from you but honestly with your attitude you are more likely loosing them on your own. You are now actually working for us so thanks for that.
BTW. I won't hide behind my keyboard and am available to chat.
Paul (Pil) Degan #66 0413361999 Call to discuss anytime.
PS. I just love karting....I hope you do too......
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Maybe the stonda suporters need to look at themselves on that one i remember quotes of boat anchors and the like.
I belive it was a clash of dates last year at Winton
and its nice that sammy thought he had a choice
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and its nice that sammy thought he had a choice
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Careful Evan, you don't have the facts!!!!!!!
Matt Wall approached me via Facebook to get our Stock Honda's running in their KZ2 race. His idea was;
KZ2 @ 180kg
DD2 @ 175kg
SHonda @ 170kg
I thought it was a good idea too and took it back to the SHonda drivers coming to Winton. The drivers all agreed (except me) that since they have never been to Winton before would not like to run with Sprint Kart drivers on their first visit.
During the same time consulting the SHonda drivers in what they want to do, there were a few emails with VSKC, (Rolf/Rod and whoever) that gave me the option to run in either KZ2 race or Superkart race but only at 180kgs due to possible confusion at scales with different karts etc.
So yes Evan.....WE DID HAVE A CHOICE!
We also have a choice of staying home as well.
The rest is history, why is there a soap opera about it. This is how karters are their own worst enemy, don't we all just want to go racing for fun, or is there also mega $$$ to win here?
If karters like politics and soap operas, go f***king join federal Labor.
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and its nice that sammy thought he had a choice
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And its good to see a VSKC commitee member spruking off without all the facts
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[quote author=PIL007 link=topic=1610.msg16128#msg16128 date=1330292651]
[quote author=kzman link=topic=1610.msg16120#msg16120 date=13302709font=Verdana] If you want to promote KZ class do so showing them off and not by attacking other classes.[/font]You at this stage need to put up or shut up. You obviously feel threatened that we could steel numbers from you but honestly with your attitude you are more likely loosing them on your own. You are now actually working for us so thanks for that.
BTW. I won't hide behind my keyboard and am available to chat.
Paul (Pil) Degan #66 0413361999 Call to discuss anytime.
PS. I just love karting....I hope you do too......
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Maybe the stonda suporters need to look at themselves on that one i remember quotes of boat anchors and the like.
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I have never once talked or posted any negative comments here or anywhere else regarding other classes of karting ..period. Please don't connect my post to some other persons boat anchor sledge.
I am new to the sport and am surprised to hear people like yourself (A superkart official by Matts comment)defending KZMan's nasty one sided post on the stonda.
Paul
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What makes you think I didn't have the facts !
Paul I never said I agreed with him or said you had said it it was just an observation
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What makes you think I didn't have the facts !
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Evan,
The facts are EXACTLY as I said on this forum. Let's keep that clear for all to understand.
I am trying to assist the sport with a low cost, user friendly, fair competition option in Superkart gearbox racing.
I'm putting my hand in my pocket to help Superkarting, [u]no money comes back in my pocket if it succeds or not.[/u]
How many people are currently doing that in our little world of Australian Superkarting today?
To make a comment like "and its nice that sammy thought he had a choice" is undermining my intergrity that we didn't have a choice to pick which race we wish to run in.
We can all sit at home and keep our pennies in our pockets, we race for fun and I expect the support from others where possible to ensure we are [u]all[/u] embracing our sport.
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Matt your way more proficient at at shooting your mouth off with no facts.
What makes you think I didn't have the facts !
Paul I never said I agreed with him or said you had said it it was just an observation
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I had spoken to Sam, Rolf and Rod about it and believe Sams version to be closer to the truth correct me if I am wrong and please feel free to give me an example of me shooting my mouth off with out the facts
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Well since this afternoon all the evidence has been shown to me to prove 100% you didn't have any of the facts which would make me say your time could be much better spent looking after potential new members to the sport than making people think the Vskc is run by arrogant flogs, you can be guranteed I will not renew my membership of which I had full intention to do so I could run my kart at Calder as I need to run the motor in before the Winton round which I will now not be doing either
Thanks Ev for reminding me why I planned to get out of superkarting, and for everyone else my kart is still for sale
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cough cough.........
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HA ha. I would have said that was his old one but i wonder due to the condition of the kart. ;)
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Is that all the motor did Sammy.
No offence intended.